Kacie Candela (KC): If this is your first time listening to Women in the Room, go back and start with episode one. Things will make a lot more sense.
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Andrew Seger (AS): Hi. I’m Andrew Seger.
KC: And I’m Kacie Candela.
AS: Before we start, we just want you to know we’ll be talking about sexual harassment in explicit terms, and, there’s some cursing. Some people may find it difficult to listen.
KC: Leah Herbert had never heard an elected official speak before. She was in her twenties, teaching in an art school, living in a loft apartment in Brooklyn.
AS: A friend invited her to a party being thrown for loft tenants by some local politicians. A law had just passed, giving them more legal protections. So Leah went.
KC: The sponsor of the bill was Assemblyman Vito Lopez.
Leah Herbert (LH): It was the first time I had heard an elected official speak. And it was not at all what I expected. He was down to earth. He was charming, he was funny. He approached me and said he was looking for someone to work in his office. So he just straight up asked me if I was interested in the position and I said yes. I talked to him a little bit more about it and I was just so unbelievably excited that this like golden opportunity had landed on my lap. I offered to send him my resumé and he was like I don’t really need that.
AS: There it is again. A golden opportunity from a powerful man.
KC: And Vito sure was powerful in Brooklyn and in Albany. In addition to being a high ranking assemblyman, he was chairman of the Democratic Party in Brooklyn. To give you an idea of just how powerful Vito was, one of his colleagues once said “You can’t get a dog license in Brooklyn without his blessing.”
AS: And Vito wasn’t just big in politics. Leah says he towered over her-- she says he was about 6’5” with a loud, booming voice. But he was also 70 years old and battling leukemia for the second time. She says he didn’t talk to his kids, and he was constantly arguing with his longtime girlfriend and business partner, Angela Battaglia.
KC: Leah was working in the district office for less than a month when a colleague, another young woman, told her Vito was asking her for drinks, just the two of them. That he told the woman Leah replaced that she had to call him all the time, outside work. Leah says he’d also scream at other staffers, and make off the cuff comments in the office that made Leah uncomfortable. Once, he said statutory rape laws shouldn’t exist.
AS: But Leah was new to politics. She had nothing to compare it to. So she didn’t take it seriously when he started making comments to her.
LH: So when he first said it to me he said it as a joke. And that was kind of how a lot of the harassment started in the office...and that was kind of also just like Vito’s demeanor, is that he would joke around a lot about all kinds of things. So he started telling me that, you know, he wanted me to call him and I was just like okay... and then never would. Because I... one, thought it was ridiculous. But I think more than that, I mean it’s also too...it’s easy to make judgments about other people and then when it happens to you in this situation I think it’s harder to push back. But I also felt like at that point I was just a legislative assistant. I would feel weird about calling a very powerful member even though I worked for him.
KC: Vito would say this to her constantly. For months. Reminding her that she had to call him.
Vito Lopez (VL): At least a phone call in the morning and one text at night and if you go to the bathroom at four in the morning, text me. Say, not that you went to the bathroom, but say ‘Vito, looking ahead for tomorrow’ or something like that, can you do that?
LH: Yes Vito.
AS: After a few months of derogatory comments and requests like this one, Leah started recording at work, in secret. She’d hide a tape recorder in her blazer pocket.
KC: But Leah says Vito didn’t like her blazers - not because she was hiding a tape recorder, but because they weren’t revealing enough.
LH: And so he constantly, like, talked about how young I look and that I needed to dress up. So I wore pantsuits, expensive pantsuits, with the money he gave me. But he wanted me to buy miniskirts. He wanted me to buy shirts that would button down and then unbutton half the buttons so that you could see my breasts. He wanted me to wear high heels.
AS: Vito was so obsessed with what the women in his office wore that Leah says he gave her more than 800 dollars, in cash, to buy new clothes. When they got raises, he said they were mandated to spend the extra money on more promiscuous clothing.
KC: He’d also leave them little presents, tokens, on their desk. A chip from the casino at Atlantic City, for instance. Stamps.
VL: So was that alright that I brought you that gift?
LH: The stamps? Yes, I appreciate it.
VL: No I said it was a romantic gift, I don’t know what it is.
LH: It’s not a romantic gift.
VL: I know, god forbid I brought that... That bothers you right? When I say it that way? I didn’t mean it, it was just a joke all right? So I brought you stamps. I’ll be very distinct.
LH: Thank you Vito.
VL: And you have to do the same, alright? Because now we’re going backwards a little bit.
AS: Vito didn’t like the look on Leah’s face when he called the stamps a “romantic gesture.” While he backtracked in the moment, it apparently bothered him. So he brought it up again later that day.
LH: I... I’m not practical or sterile.
VL: Well you know, I said ‘here, this is a romantic gesture’ and gave you the stamps, that upset you. And I guess I have to learn before I talk to you, I have to be cognizant of it. You know, it’s not what you are, it’s the relationship that is pragmatic or whatever it is… and that’s fine. You know, I’m going to probably...you know, it’s like me walking across eggshells, but I guess maybe I have to learn that. And I will, just...it’s annoying. I can’t – every time I turn a corner I fall in a hole. And you know what I’m talking about, you’re a very smart person, and you know exactly what’s... what I am saying. So I’m not going to- every three times a day get into conflicts. I can’t do that. I have enough natural enemies and conflicts all the time. And you know, I don’t want it, I really don’t want to deal with it.
KC: Leah says Vito had a tendency to talk in these vague, rambling abstractions, acting like he was playing defense against some wrong Leah had committed against him. Telling her, “you know what I’m talking about” without actually saying it.
VL: And you have a good night.
LH: You too Vito, thank you for driving me home.
VL: And I don’t want to hurt you.
LH: I know you don’t.
VL: Alright? I think you’re...
LH: That’s why I just wanted to talk to you and be honest because I know that’s not what you want. I know that.
VL: Yeah...I probably have an attraction to you and I have to deal with that, like you said. That might sound terrible to you, but, you know, that’s not the worst thing. If I said I thought you were terrible and ugly that might even be worse or you might like that better. But that’s something I will deal with, like you said. There has to be a way of us moving towards a very good friendship then... alright? That, you know, is good. Because I need the support...
LH: And that’s exactly what I want.
VL: I need a strong support system.
VL: Alright? You hear me? Alright.
AS: This was about as far as Vito would go in saying what he wanted from Leah. Even though he said he’d “get over” his attraction to her, he got more and more frustrated that she wouldn’t do what he implied he wanted. He constantly complained about their relationship.
VL: Fuck you, because what is then- I’m not happy with a distant, bureaucratic, sterile relationship. I am not happy with it. The way you are not happy with certain things, I am not happy, and it’s not totally acceptable. Alright?
KC: Leah couldn’t just ignore Vito’s come ons, because he’d start arguments with her about it. And it made her feel like she couldn’t do her job.
VL: I understand, you want things- you know, rules, professionalism, joint offices, and the process...
VL: I can’t stand-
LH: We only fight whenever you bring up things that- I feel like what you want from me, is that you want me to be, like, your mistress or something...
LH: I can’t do that.
VL: No? Okay...All right and I can’t-
LH: And I don’t understand why you keep bringing it up. Like- we get past it, we, like, start working on issues, we are a good team and then you bring it up again, and you know... you know it upsets me so I don’t understand why you keep bringing it up.
AS: Leah had a boyfriend while she was working in Vito’s office, and she says Vito hated that. Told her she couldn’t talk about him. When she did, he seized on it, twisted things around.
KC: Leah used the fact that she had a boyfriend to tell Vito she couldn’t share a hotel room with him on any work trips, or when she traveled up to Albany. This is a really weird logistical issue that every legislator faces, even today. Sharing a room or an apartment during session can help save money. For awhile, Vito pitched this to Leah as a logistical convenience, even though she already had a place to stay in Albany on session days. But Vito had two types of cancer at the time, and Leah says he didn’t want to be alone at night. She brushed it off, until in the car on the way to Albany one day, Vito said they’d do THIS in the apartment...
LH: Yeah this is the reason to go up on Sunday night.
VL: Yeah. What’s another reason? What’s the other reason?
LH: To have fun.
VL: And to be with me.
VL: And cuddle?
LH: So we can be relaxed.
VL: And cuddle?
LH: Maybe not cuddling, but… we’ll have fun.
KC: After Vito made this comment, Leah says she tried to shut down the idea of getting an apartment together. But Vito didn’t like the way Leah responded and he retaliated against her the next day.
LH: Awful, Vito. I think it’s awful.
VL: And fuck Vito... he wanted an apartment so he could go and hang out with Marty Dilan. Fuck him... he’s going to be happy about that, I know he is. Alright? So- so I might not be justified...
LH: Vito, you’re the one who put conditions on the apartment.
VL: Yeah, okay. So... but no, that ain’t the point. The point is I don’t have an apartment and I’m not going to do that. But that’s fine, you know...
LH: And I’m sorry, but that’s your fault.
KC: After this exchange, Leah had to step out of the office because she was crying so hard. But Vito wouldn’t let it go. He brought it up AGAIN the day after that, and tried, like Leah said he always did, to use her ambition and work ethic against her.
VL: For the third night in a row, I probably slept an hour or two. I can’t do that no more, I really can’t. So I’m letting you know that, because I need somebody that’s in that office that, you know, and I always had it, that is very, very supportive, and wants to be helpful. Intensity isn’t... you know... it’s nowhere to be found, it really isn’t, and you know I can’t work that way, I really can’t. Unless... you know I understand you would like to... I think you want to be Chief of Staff...
KC: Here’s Leah reflecting on that exchange now.
LH: It was towards the end that he said we would have to cuddle in the apartment. And I was SO freaked out by it. And I said that wasn’t going to happen and he essentially like turned it around and said, you know, you’re interpreting it wrong. And I said it...it means to like romantically, like, touch each other. And he berated me and said he... he looked it up and it said to like nestle and hug. And I was like, ‘Oh my God. That’s awful.’
VL: You know, I looked up cuddle and it said, “to nestle and to hug.” I almost ripped out the page to bring it in to you. Because I thought I committed a crime almost. You know, some of the standards, and some of the things that get thrown out and walk out- you know, no one’s ever walked out on me twice.
LH: And I knew at that point, like, there was, like, no way around this. Like I was putting a stop to it. That I was not going to stay in this apartment with him.
KC: Another way Vito tried to get Leah in a room alone together was with a work trip to Puerto Rico.
AS: Lots of legislators go down for the Somos conference every year.
KC: But there was a catch. They had to share a hotel room.
AS: To try and get out of it, Leah told Vito, “My boyfriend would kill me if I did that.” Vito took it literally and started telling people Leah’s boyfriend was beating her. The day he blew up about it was the same day as mandatory sexual harassment training. You know, the one that Speaker Silver reportedly read the newspaper at. Leah says Vito was annoyed they had to go at all.
LH: The next day he starts... first with silent treatment and then yelling at me for hours about my boyfriend and that he essentially had told me that I couldn’t go to certain meetings and that people had asked about me and that he said that my boyfriend had been beating me and that he didn’t want me to get hurt. And so that’s why I wasn’t there. And it was...at first I was just like this is the most insane thing I’ve ever heard of. Like... I kept saying this is not true, this is not true. And he just wouldn’t stop. And it was interspersed with critiques about my job performance and I think after hours of just sitting in a room with him I just completely broke down. I was trying not to cry in front of him but I was just absolutely hysterical. I walked out of the office and another co-worker comforted me and she just said, you know, like ‘you cannot let him get to you.’ And it was very clear in that moment that she had been experiencing things too. I went back in and at that point it was time for Rita and I to go to our sexual harassment training.
KC: It’s important to know - Leah wasn’t going through this alone. There were other women in the office, and they all handled Vito differently.
AS: Until this moment, Leah, who was now Chief of Staff, really hadn’t confided in any of her staffers. She saw her job as standing in between them and Vito. Protecting them, as much as she could.
KC: She didn’t realize how much she needed someone, to support her and say, “You’re not crazy - it’s happening to me too.”
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AS: Rita Pasarell applied for a job as a Senior Legislative assistant in Vito’s office without any government experience at all. She had just graduated from law school, and was surprised to even get called in for an interview. But she was even more surprised by some of the questions Vito asked her.
KC: Rita says Vito wasn’t really interested in her resume. He was more concerned with whether she was married, had kids, and was alright working under Leah-- a woman. Rita says she was thrown by how weird and short the interview was. She was shocked to get a call in a few days that she gotten the job.
AS: If you know what Vito’s hiring philosophy was, this all makes sense.
LH: He was looking specifically for an attorney and I... at the time I think it had only been posted a couple days. I got about 50 resumes that were pretty evenly split. I pulled, you know, the top 10 based on qualifications that were also pretty evenly split between men and women. He essentially didn’t like the pool that I had pulled from and so asked for every single resumé. And so I printed out every single résumé that I got. And then from there he pretty much only interviewed women.
KC: When Rita arrived on her first day, she found out her position was not as a senior legislative assistant, the job she applied for, but as a legislative assistant. When she complained, she says Vito shrugged it off for a couple days, and then...
Rita Pasarell (RP): He called me into his office and started telling me a long winded story that I didn’t really get the point of at the beginning of when he started telling it, but then I caught on... he was telling me about a woman who was very good at her job and the reason she was very good at her job was because she wore mini skirts and all the men were in love with her and she would bend over. So he was talking with us for a while and then his kind of punchline there was, you know and then if you work hard maybe we can get your pay back up and maybe we can get your title back where it should be.
AS: Within her first week on the job, Rita says Vito had already started sexually harassing her. On her second day, she says he asked her to wear high heels and more revealing tops. Leah was watching what happened to her, happen to Rita.
LH: I did to her what people did to me, which was not say anything, you know, about what was happening and just pray that it would stop. And that I would never have to have that awkward conversation. And I was also just like, really really scared that I was the chief of staff and... I felt that both legally and morally and ethically that I had to report him for his behavior towards other people in the office that were my staff.
KC: Leah says Vito started slowly taking responsibilities from her and giving them to Rita. She calls this “classic Vito” - leveraging duties in the office and work performance with complying with his desires.
LH: At that point I’d been fine just sitting in a corner doing nothing. To not have to be in a room with him hours on end just getting yelled at. But that’s... that’s what I was afraid of, is that he would want to spend more time alone with her and I couldn’t protect her.
AS: Leah saw herself kind of like an umbrella. As Vito’s anger and comments rained down, she caught most of it, and protected the women underneath. But in this analogy, the rain was more like blocks of hail. And Leah was getting crushed.
KC: After Leah and Rita got back from sexual harassment training, the day Leah says Vito screamed at her over the Puerto Rico hotel room, Vito took her out and admitted he had feelings for her.
LH: So I go out afterwards and get a burger with him and he starts talking about having problems with his girlfriend and that he needed someone in the worst kind of way. And I just frankly told him well I don’t know anyone. And then he said, you know, that he shouldn’t go out with me anymore because he had feelings for me and I just... just was like, shocked and horrified and just frankly told him, well you just need to get over that because we have to work together.
AS: Leah says they sat through an uncomfortable dinner-- Vito barely spoke to her at all-- before he drove her home. The next day, he went on and on about how insensitive she was to his feelings. She says he told her she might not be fit to be his Chief of Staff after all. He even cancelled her invitation to a lunch with Joe Percoco-- a top Cuomo aid at the time-- and Frank Carone-- a powerful Brooklyn lawyer-- and brought another staffer in her place.
KC: Later that day, Leah says Vito told her he was tired of fighting with her, and she’d better start coming up with a plan to phase herself out of the office. He wasn’t only going to demote her for denying his advances-- he wanted to fire her. With all the pressure, stress, and anxiety he caused her, Leah says she was reaching a breaking point.
LH: I felt completely helpless. I felt suicidal. I... at that point my physical health had just completely deteriorated. I was... I was not sleeping. My... my hair had been falling out in clumps. My heart started racing constantly. I was having constant panic attacks. And in that car ride after he told me that I would have to cuddle with him I just... I started planning my suicide and it was going to happen the next week. And I went to... I stayed with the staffer in Albany and I told her this story and... and what had happened. And she told me that I could not stay with him. That he had physically assaulted her and that he would hurt me.
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AS: So, the colleague Leah was staying with in Albany went to HR the next day and discussed everything Leah had told her with a woman named Yolande Page. She told Yolande all about the apartment Vito wanted to share with Leah, and how he told her they would have to cuddle there.
LH: I mean to this day I’m so incredibly grateful for her because I feel like she literally saved my life. Just having someone intervene on my behalf when I wasn’t strong enough to do it myself.
KC: But, the story doesn’t end there. Leah still had to show up to work in Vito’s office and manage his staff as she began to explore filing a formal complaint. Just like Elizabeth Crothers with reporting Michael Boxley, Leah was worried that Albany’s power politics would prevent her from getting a fair shake. Don’t forget-- Vito was one of the most well-connected and high-ranking Assemblymen in Albany.
LH: I spoke to... to HR right after my co-worker had spoke to them and I... at first I was really scared to file a formal complaint. I mean essentially Yolande told me there are no secrets in Albany. You cannot keep this a secret.
AS: Leah was terrified to move forward with reporting. All she could think about was how she’d never get a job again. So, she had the same idea that Elizabeth had-- she asked Yolande if Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver could get involved.
LH: Shelley seemed to be the only person that Vito would listen to. And she told me she would get back to me and she would call me back to see if that was an option. She didn’t call back.
KC: As Leah was in talks with HR and getting closer to getting out of Vito’s office, she noticed more and more how he was harassing other young staffers. But she felt confident HR was finally going to put a stop to all this. So, she confronted Vito.
LH: It was the first time I had actually said, like, stop sexually harassing me and my staff.
AS: And, he fired her. For the third time.
LH: I was actually like relieved when he fired me. I was so relieved. I was like finally this is done. Finally I can stop being terrified. Even if I have no job I can just move on.
KC: Leah filed her formal complaint with HR a few days after Vito fired her. Rita continued working in the office, but she knew she couldn’t stay for long after seeing everything Leah and the rest of the staff had gone through. Two weeks later, Rita submitted her formal complaint as well after many calls with HR.
RP: I just remember thinking it... it can’t get any more dangerous than this, unless there’s a physical attack. And around this time is when I reported to HR. So first I spoke to the HR woman and I spoke to her for about an hour telling her all of this stuff, all the harassment. The pressure for hotel rooms, the grabbing, all of the comments about clothing and high heels and retaliation. After that long conversation she said ‘Okay do you want to file a complaint?’ And I said well yes, I thought I just did.
AS: This happens to Rita over and over again. She spoke to another person-- the lawyer from their sexual harassment training-- Bill Collins, the same assembly counsel who handled Elizabeth Crothers’ complaint. At the end of their conversation, he asked her “would you like to file a complaint?” He tells her that, to file a formal complaint, she has to email him a summary of what happened. THEN they asked her to send it as a hard copy.
RP: And so it was just all of these extra hoops, that were, you know, they’re just not based on anything valid. They were just... seemed like they were being placed there to add obstacles.
KC: Leah says she went through the same sort of process. After they both reported, they entered into mediation with the state. They hired the same attorney to handle their cases together, and the lawyers took it from there.
AS: But they had a problem. Vito had saved months of text messages from Leah and Rita, recording all the provocative things that he made them send to him. He had set them up, and was using the texts as leverage.
RP: It seemed that Vito had a whole program with these text messages. He’d been through this before because what he started to say was... Leah is the one who was the sexual aggressor and came after me. This is what Vito said and he used the text messages to say that. He said look what she wrote to me. But he had been puppeting these text messages.
KC: So state attorneys used tons of these texts as evidence that Vito wasn’t the sexual aggressor-- they argued Leah was, despite other complaints that had been made against him in the past.
LH: Vito’s attorneys brought in this like... spread of these text messages. And the assembly attorneys like, look square at me and say that Vito claims you were the sexual aggressor. And to go through everything I had gone through and have that flipped on me... was so psychologically devastating. I literally lost it. I was so hysterical. I mean they had to stop for quite some time because I was so incredibly hysterical.
AS: So the Assembly demanded evidence that proved Leah’s story was true. Her attorneys sent them one of her recordings. Later, people involved in the investigation called this tape the “smoking gun.”
KC: The clip that her attorneys gave was from the same car ride up to Albany you heard earlier, where Vito asked her to cuddle. Before that, Leah told Vito that the reason why his comments made her so uncomfortable was because she had been raped. Vito was the FIRST person she told, besides her friends and family, and she was terrified. She saw it as a last resort to get him to stop.
LH: I just... it’s just a natural reflex for me. When I was in college, I had to leave because I was raped. And it’s just that... my body is like is the only thing that feel like I have to control, and I... and it’s just super sensitive, I’m sorry. It’s just like a natural reflex for me.
VL: It’s good that you told me that... it’s not good that it happened but it’s good that you told me that. You hear me?
LH: And, because of the way the law is structured there was nothing I can do.
VL: About what?
LH: About, about charging the guy, who...
VL: So you feel guilty about that?
LH: No, I don’t feel guilty about it. It’s just... after you go through something like that you just...
VL: Yeah, I understand.
LH: You feel this incessant need of like, control. It has nothing to with you or like, anything else. I just, you know... it’s me, and...
VL: Yeah well, you know... can I tell you... that’s bad, and it’s terrible but a little bit... there needs to be a little bit of turning the corner. Do you hear me?
VL: Alright? You know, I don’t know... we... you... I really believe the work that you do, or can do, and have done, and if you get caught up in it, we could do a lot.
VL: But I want that intensity, and I want it to be a little bit adventurous... alright? And I don’t know, you know...
VL: And so if you rub my hand... you know, and I like that cause it’s therapy... It’s practically therapy... but it’s more than therapy...
VL: You holding my hand, I mean in a way... not that... you know... you understand that?
VL: And rubbing my neck like you just did before was a nice gesture.
VL: But... so I... you know... I hope you realize... a little bit of... you know, well, nothing...
LH: No, I, I do Vito.
VL: Well okay, so then if you could at least attempt to slightly work a quarter or an eighth of inch my way...
LH: I’m trying.
VL: Okay? Good. Then it’s a deal. Stop crying. Alright? Rub my hand... feel my hand.
LH: Here, I brought the lotion.
VL: Is that alright? Are you going to be upset with that?
LH: No, not at all.
VL: Alright, because then...
LH: No, not at all Vito.
VL: Because then I become totally paranoid about everything that you do.
LH: Don’t be paranoid.
LH: I might have grabbed too much.
VL: Good. I like that. That means you have to rub it longer.
KC: Leah told us she still carries so much shame about this incident. That she felt dirty doing it, but also felt that she had no choice. She thinks this tape was the one that really shocked investigators because of Vito’s response when she asked him to stop harassing her. Even with this evidence, the mediation dragged on, and it wasn’t until 6 months later that they started seeing settlement paperwork. But it was far from the outcome they hoped for.
LH: I really do think, like, institutional betrayal is the best term for it. The NDA had no admission of guilt. On the assembly or Vito. It had clauses in it so that... we could not- it had, the nondisclosure agreement which we did not know was coming, that we couldn’t speak to anyone. We couldn’t even speak to our family about it. Our attorneys pushed to include family members and that was excluded We could only talk to tax professionals and... and doctors. It included a ten thousand dollar liquidated damages clause that if we spoke out any disparaging instances against Vito or the assembly that we would have to go, not to court where the public would know about it, but to... back to mediation and... and we’d be charged for every instance.
RP: We were not allowed to disparage the assembly or Vito. And the assembly refused to agree to a reciprocal provision. They said the assembly is too large. They couldn’t agree to... no one within the assembly disparaging either one of us.
AS: This might sound eerily similar to Elizabeth Crothers’ experience, with one key difference: Leah and Rita had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Even though they got a payout, there was no formal assembly investigation into Vito’s conduct, and he was allowed to keep on serving without repercussion. Nothing was done to prevent this from happening again.
KC: Leah says after all her lawyers’ fees, she’d end up walking away with about $40,000 from the settlement.
LH: And that was with absolutely no job prospects, no health care, that meant no mental health care despite being diagnosed with PTSD. Surely blacklisted from anyone who I had worked with in the past. No real job experience that I could rely on to be able to speak to, other than working in Vito’s office. And Rita and I applied for unemployment and we were denied because we couldn’t say why we left.
KC: The state didn’t give them a ton of time to consider the offer, but she felt her only real option was to accept.
LH: Our attorneys said to us that ‘a trial would take three years. The laws in New York state are not very strong so I don’t know if you’d win. And they will do everything they can to publicly humiliate you with those text messages.’ So I felt... I felt like I had no choice but to take what they offered, pick myself up off the floor, and try to find another job.
AS: About a month after they settled, some big news shook Albany. Vito had done it again. The two young women who were hired to replace Leah and Rita reported him for sexual harassment.
KC: That’s next time, on Women in the Room.
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KC: This week’s show was reported and produced by me, Kacie Candela, and Andrew Seger; and edited by our News Director George Bodarky. Chuck Singleton is our General Manager. Our music is by Podington Bear. Special thanks to Robin Shannon and the whole WFUV News team.
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